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Then Id take a day or 2 off from studying, and then study my ass off for the Commercial written. I was originally shooting for either the Ft. Lauderdale location, or the Daytona Beach location. Most of the students who do not finish the program are, like Chris said, students who are not dedicated to the program. The master bedroom had their own master bathroom, and the other 2 bedrooms shared a bathroom. My old instructor, who we called Mainerd (because he was from Maine), was involved in a mid-air collision with another airplane. One thing about some of the instructors at ATP that sort of annoyed me was their arrogance. SAT doesnt have a Seminole for multi so youll either have to stay in Arlington after CFI Academy or complete your training at GTU or CXO north of Houston. 5 Best Low Time Pilot Jobs With 250 500 Hours, Instrument Proficiency Check (IPC): 4 Things You Need To Know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_Flight_School, https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/active-pilots/safety-and-technique/operations/commercial-pilot-certificate, https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20081208X81624&AKey=1&RType=HTML&IType=FA, https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20140324X00546&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=FA, https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/index.aspx, 10 Runway, Airport, & Taxiway Lights Explained, https://www.kingschools.com/ground-school/career-pilot/kit, https://www.century-of-flight.net/restricted-atp-explained/, https://www.century-of-flight.net/atp-flight-school-review/#why-atp, Visual Descent Point (VDP) Explained: 4 Things To Know, Unusual Attitude Recovery: 2 Examples Of How To Recover, Certified Flight Instructor Instrument (CFII), My local flight school (Ocean Aire in Toms River, NJ), Id (possibly) be able to pick up a job as a CFI after completion of training, I needed a break from the bleak winter NJ weather, The aircrafts performance metrics (stall speed, max. Answers to your questions below: What was your experience working as a pilot upon graduation?. All Rights Reserved. Any other words of wisdom with keeping her situation in mind?. If all goes smoothly and the industry starts to rebound as expected, you will have absolutely NO issues getting a job as a pilot in the near-long term future. It should also be noted that I was working my @ss off, somewhere around 50 60 hours a week of ground / air instruction. He was completely terrified! drive from Stuart airport. Answers to your questions below: I was thinking if I were to jump into a career, who should it be with between the two (United Aviate vs ATP), and why?. Unfortunately, there were no openings at the Ft. Lauderdale location. Kyle, Thank you so much for such great information. Its no more (or less) dangerous to get your flight training done here than it is most other schools. Not necessarily. Like transportation and housing stuff.. Copyright 2023 www.Century-of-Flight.net. With that said, again, this is entirely dependent on where you live and how busy a nearby flight school is. I figure Id get one early in 2024 just to make sure Im good to go and another one round Jun to get into training. In fact, my roommate Luke did just that just a month prior to me attending ground school. How would one go about finishing all the written tests before starting flight school? My old boss at a charter company in Stuart I used to fly for was a former C-130 driver. Seems like you enrolled directly due to your prior license. As for transportation, Im racking my brain right now trying to figure out how that was handledI know in a lot of cases we had access to a crew car, but that was only during our cross-country flights. 2. It has been 15 years since I attended ATP, so keep in mind that a lot of things may (and probably have) changed since I went there. A Chuck Yeager impressionist, if you will. It is so overwhelming with how many different paths you can take to become a pilot. When you compare the scale of ATP's flight training operations to other flight schools, academies, colleges and FBOs, there's no wonder why ATP is the most respected name in pilot certification. After successfully completing the required maneuvers, we landed at the DPEs home in Spruce Creek, FL. However, most of the time wed end up at one of the apartments, only to find out that they didnt have any spare beds available. Step 1 Fund your training Program costs and financial assistance Program costs Private pilot training - $17,750 FREE Instrument rating - $18,250 Commercial SE initial - $26,000 Commercial ME add-on - $7,500 Certified flight instructor - $7,500 Certified flight instructor (instrument) - $5,500 Multi engine flight instructor - $6,500 RSVP Today! Sorry for the late reply, I dont check comments very often. Thanks for all the responses. Others do the bare minimum, and thats putting it lightly. In addition, joining their program puts you on a path to ultimately work as a pilot / first officer at United Airlines. Im looking for a career change, and am interested in getting into Aviation. Our flight school is recognized by the Federal Aviation Administration as a Part 61 operation. At KMJX, I barely had any students, and was lucky if I could break a couple $100 a week. But when the schools are booking 1.5 hour blocks, it certainly doesn't leave much time for the pre-brief, pre-flight, taxiing and holding forever, finally get to flying maybe 45 minutes into the booking and before you know it times up and you're not even out of the plane before the instructor's already greeting the next student. From what I recall, the school lasted 2 weeks, and was divided up into 2 blocks. Its not the end of the world if you dont but I wish I had! You really have to be a self-starter / self-motivated to be successful with the program, and not everyone has this trait. How long would schooling take if I have had no prior flight experience or license? We dont have the specifics of locations, that you can find at the training center. The reported weather about the time of the accident included clear skies and visibility of 10 miles.. Yep no problem Barry, it was fun writing it. All I had to do was focus on the flying portion, which in my opinion helped me never fail a checkride. Hey Connie, What you really need to determine is whether or not ATP is the right path for you. Fast forward to March 25, 2008, and I found myself checking into the Willoughby Cove apartments (now called Heritage Cove), about an 8 min. My roommates and classmates were awesome. Because this particular ATP flight school location is way smaller than many of the others, they only had a limited number of spots. Your email address will not be published. So was your intention to fly for the airlines or corporate after ATP? Although a flight review is required every 24 calendar months, the FAA would rather pilots be apart of the wings program and stay current every year as a substitute to the flight review. Hey Bowen, Sounds like the program is made only for United Airline future pilots. With that said, it would be dependent on a number of factors like how well you learn everything, your overall aviation skills, budget, etc. In all, you can expect to have 2 4 other roommates for the duration of your training at ATP. The tuition for these students will . On the surface, ATP Flight School seems like a great deal. I still get their advertisements on Facebook, and I graduated from their program over 10 years ago! If you would have asked me back in 2008 once I completed ATP if I thought it was worth it, I would give you the same answer then as Im about to give now. 3. The accident happened on Saturday, December 6, 2008, and I can remember everything very vividly. Hi! Come to think of it, I remember him being so fed up by the program that he ended up leaving before finishing his CFI ratings. I have seen guys in their 50s enter into aviation as a 2nd career. All my suspicions were confirmed when I visited the Daytona Beach location in person for my interview. The rain increased in intensity as they continued the approach. Ultimately, however, I just wasnt getting enough hours / students, so I ended up taking a job as a CFI / CFII at a flight school in south FL (Naples Air Center). American Flyers, which like ATP has locations all across the US, just struck me the wrong way when I was doing my research. Over 33,000 hours of flight training per month. The success rate basically falls on each individual student. Hey Ana, Does it need to be in aviation? However, since ALL ATP locations offer the same level of instruction and resources, there's no reason it would be any higher or lower at any particular one. To top it all off, when I was doing my private pilots license, I cant tell you how many flights I had to cancel because of bad weather. Hope this helps and sorry for the late reply! If I had to guess, competition is probably pretty stiff with ALL of these cadet programs (Envoy, United Aviate, etc.). Click the button below and submit your request. Shortly after passing the final approach fix they received a low altitude alert from air traffic control. At the time, there were around 6 7 ATP locations in Florida. The last thing I remember about CFI school was one of the most fun (if not terrifying) aspects of training.spin training. *Discounted crew price when you bring a training partner enrolled in the same program. I have family and would like to be home after work.. They brought all 10 of us out to the airfield and one by one took us up in a Cessna 152 to do it. Then, we would spend the night in a hotel and do a totally different set of legs the next day. I was talking to an airline captain once, and after I asked him how great it is to be an airline pilot, he remarked being an airline pilot is the best part time job Ive ever had!. Atp Flight School Acceptance Rate. ATP doesnt publish success rates for individual locations. 2. # 1 k1600gt On Reserve Thread Starter Joined APC: Apr 2015 Posts: 11 Is ATP Flight School worth the investment? Answers to your questions below: What would you consider Too Old for transitioning into an Aviation career? Airline pilot forums, pilot magazines, Facebook, Google, etc. Take an Admissions Flight with ATP for just $195 at any of our 82 flight training centers across the US. I am concerned about safety first and then that they will be able to get a quality job with a major airline. I am deciding which location of ATP I should attend right now. have a way larger inventory of aircraft, so less of a chance of a flight being cancelled due to maintenance issues. Of course, dont quote me on that, thats just my instinct! Intro Flight) to want to do the job. The training is a fire hose of information. With that said, I was home every night and loved the job. I always recommend to ANYONE that is seriously thinking about becoming a commercially rated pilot do 2 things before you start applying for $100K flight school loans: #1. Theres a lot of truth in that statement, unfortunately. While my initial interest was getting into corporate aviation (specifically Netjets), I would have seriously considered going the airline route if I knew Id be getting a (virtually guaranteed) slot at United. If you see this comment, leave a reply and let me know where you live. There were about 10 other students in the course, and we had one ground instructor (a former first officer at a regional airline). Szentkirly telepls nyerte meg a Hrs Vgtt. On the surface, ATP Flight School seems like a great deal. I answered my phone and thats when he told me. Instructors will review your practice test results, then email you an endorsement. 0 /yr Certification 9,772 FAA certificates issued annually. Multi engine time is SO much more valuable then single-engine, and the more multi-time you have the better. After that, use Sheppard Air for the rest of the written. Rather, it seemed as though it was basically a sales pitch of why I should attend ATP over another flight school. Everything thing else seems to be in order. As I mentioned earlier, it sounds like theyve cleaned up their act big time. I highly doubt that United would invest all that time and money into you if you were planning on jumping ship somewhere down the road. Century-of-flight.net is your source for all things aviation and aviation history. It sounds like (and I could be wrong here), you can apply to the United Aviate program while youre in the ATP Airline Career Pilot Program. They said they only care about the money. I cant tell you how many students I had when I was a CFI that had never been in a small plane before, yet thought they wanted to be a commercial pilot. Airlines (and subsequently smaller corporate type outfits) are in a world of hurt looking for pilots, as there is a major shortage. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. In fact, even though I havent flown for a paycheck since like 2011, a couple years back I was getting letters from regional airlines on a monthly (sometimes Bi-WEEKLY!) With all of the above said, the market for pilots right now is WAY better then it was back when I was flying for a paycheck. This sounds unnecessary, especially considering United will pay for your PPL (which ATP, of course, will not). The towns of Bulverde or Blanco. I read that you are from New Jersey, why you did not go to the ATP locations in NJ? Is it likely, not really. Chris September 22, 2022, 1:06am 3. Take 1 or 2 practice tests, then go take the actual test. Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective- I appreciated the information and objectivity. Absolutely! Any opinions on that? One question: How many of your ATP peers went on to fly for a major airline? Mention of them does not imply any affiliation with or endorsement by them.14 CFR part 142 programs provided by ATP Jet Simulation, Inc. Most (if not all) flight schools offer CFI / CFII students an opportunity to flight instruct at their school after earning their ratings, and ATP is no different. IF I had to do it all over again, I would do it exactly the same. While my roommates and other students were cramming for their written tests, and preparing for the checkrides, all I had to do was learn how to fly the plane. At the end of the training, we actually sent in our receipts from our hotel stays, completely expecting to not be reimbursed. I really enjoyed reading. Im a USAF C-130 pilot (retired) and am helping him as much as I can. Before Covid-19, the airlines and flight departments across the country were in a bit of a bind. Long story short, if I were your dad or older brother, I would tell you this: I have a kid that graduated from Brought back a lot of good memories! Long story short, it will be a great time to become a pilot. #2. Flight Training Centers Across the US, Leading the Nation in Commercial Pilot Training, Free with Loan Approval and Admissions Qualification. It all depends on how committed you are to studying, reviewing your after briefing notes from your instructor and taking initiative on the available free simulator for extra practice. From their website, it appears that CFI academy is now 6 weeks, and is a much more involved program. So thats kind of my hiccup at the moment. With that said, as far as Im aware its a VERY competitive process that only a select few make it through. Your email address will not be published. Each unit in Stuart had 3 bedrooms, and 2 full bathrooms. I had just got home after a long day of flying, when I looked down at my ringing cell phone and saw that my old roommate Kyle was calling. Hey John, I actually almost got into a PHYSICAL fight with one of my instructors IN the actual airplane. Everything I read about the Daytona Beach location just turned me off. Is it heard of?, Is it possible? Yup, all of them, and basically in the order of which rating Id be taking my checkrides in (so the way you listed). Piper Seminole), which is huge from a resume-building POV. And refinancing is nearly impossible unless you have a BA or Masters so take that into consideration when you're done. Its got all the necessary study tutorials if youre looking to get all of your ratings. If you are starting from scratch and want to go through the full airline pilot training program, the current price starts at $83,995. Sorry for the late reply, just reading through comments now. It was really good. 0 /yr Flight Hours Over 519,000 hours of flight training per year. airlines, corporate aviation, etc.). The flight instructor added full power and attempted to climb; however, the airplane continued to lose altitude while still indicating 90 knots throughout descent and impact.. Sorry for the late reply, Mike. If students have already completed their private pilots license, they will be awarded a credit. There was a huge lack of pilots and a growing need for them. Call now or visit our webpage and schedule a tour: Phone: 425-200-0059 info@globalideaschool.org read more. ATP recommends Sportys for the Private Pilot (PAR). 3) Can someone make a permanent career out of Teaching Students at a Flight School like ATP? For example, since I was in Stuart, FL, most of our flights would start in Stuart, and wed do like 3 4 legs per day. This was another selling point that stuck with me. Theres probably a clause in the contract somewhere that says you need to work for us for X amount of years, and if you leave to work for another airline, then you need to pay us back $X amount of money. They were all very professional, and you could tell from the get-go that they were fair (albeit pretty intense in some cases). I am helping my daughter (22), an immigrant from a traditional and conservative society in Afghanistan! From a safety perspective, again, I dont know what university youre referring to, so I dont have a clue as to their safety record. I have family and would like to be home after work. With that said, the winters in New Jersey just suck. Awesome thanks for taking the time to respond. You will get a rate between 8-13%. I cant speak for the hotter parts of the country but I am sure they have days where they may not fly in some summer weather because its just too hot. Efficient Airline-Oriented Training with a Fast Track to All Major Airlines. Sorry for the late reply, I dont check comments very often. (dont quote me on that, though). Chris. I am considering ATP as well, and was wondering what your thoughts were on the 100 hour multi-engine option were. ATP conducts training for aviators at all levels of their career, including: One of the most enticing features of the school is their relationships with several regional and major airlines. PPL, Instrument, Commercial, CFI, CFII, MEI? by Rachel Kay | Jan 5, 2023 | Insight Hub ATP Flight School is one of the most popular and well-known flight schools in the United States. Zack, I chose the Daytona Beach location, as I was gunning to go to one of their locations in Florida. Sure, at first its not too bad, and its nice to have a change of season / scenery every once in awhile. Would you suggest the ATP vs a Bachelors in Aviation?. This is actually one of the biggest all-around benefits to ATP. Can anyone speak to their time at SAT? Hey Carson, The best advice we can give other than connecting with a student/instructor at a location is to schedule an Admissions Flight and Training Center Tour. All of the flight instructors get the same high quality training that meets ATPs standards as well so you will be fine wherever you choose to attend your ATP training. Frankly, theres not too many negative points I can think of when it came to the DPEs. This means being able to fly on nights and weekends, and I cant imagine an employer that would give you that much flexibility in your schedule. My intention is to eventually end up in the airlines or corporate, but Im interested in why some may not end up going that route. Howd you prepare for and take the written tests prior to going? Luckily, he was cool enough to agree to fork over the $ for a hotel room. As I mentioned above, I really dont know. We literally taxied right up to his house, he filled out the paperwork stating that I successfully completed the Commercial Single engine checkride, and we hopped back in the airplane and did the Single Engine CFI checkride. If you could elaborate that would really helpful! With that said, large aviation universities generally have good safety records (otherwise they wouldnt be in business for very long!). In fact, youll likely have more multi-engine students than you will single-engine students. 27 75 75 comments RBZL 7 yr. ago Here are the problems with ATP: When you burn through training in six months, you haven't experienced half of the flying you're likely to do, especially in places like Denver. However, theres a huge difference between most mom and pop flight schools and ATP. I scored 90+ on every test I took, and it really helped with my overall preparations. And where could I take and finish the written pieces? After consulting a map, and checking out a few forum posts, I decided this was the location for me. Im considering it but what Im worried about is money, can I work weekends at a place by the airport? I had a very rough time upon graduation. Sort of related to the above. Advertisement Is ATP Flight School Worth The Money? The program works if youre willing to put the time and energy into it. To get into ATP flight school, I had to go to an interview at one of their locations. At the time I was flying for a living I was also doing internet marketing / affiliate marketing, which is what I do full-time today. Airline pilots past, present and future are all here working hard to send new pilots to the airline industry. This means that, in essence, they were basically in my exact same shoes less than a year ago. 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