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See, I'm making the model for a Christofle vase. MS. OKA DONER: No, I'm really not a collector. MS. OKA DONER: Yes, they thought that was a good thing. There's these bluffs, and we found lots of fossils. MS. OKA DONER: One did bronzes, one did furniture, one did cars. MS. OKA DONER: I like that, so it's enigmatic. MS. SHEA: [Laughs.] We did that for the state of Tennessee in a much more random and voluptuous way in their own building. MS. OKA DONER: I keep clipping those and adding them to the books. We talked about the way different materials carry light, how a necklace brings light to a womans face, for instance. Or I don't know, yes, how you want to call that exactly. And then the second one was, again, the geography of the land. MS. SHEA: And these things are probably hard to sum up in words, but do you find it easy to always have ideas? I need to assign certain pieces of work. "Sometimes a crumb falls from the table of joy, sometimes a bone is flung. I laid it in in sort of geological time; took me time, too. Still isn't. Her corrections and emendations appear below in brackets with initials. MS. SHEA: Yes, that does sound like a not very positive stereotype. MS. SHEA: And you talked a little bit in your talk about I'm thinking about the other it was very interesting to hear about the project you were doing, I think it was for was it for a library at Hofstra with the grapes in the . WebMichele Oka Doner (born 1945, Miami Beach, Florida) is an American artist and author. MS. OKA DONER: Yes, there's a lot. MS. OKA DONER: I describe it as a research library . MS. OKA DONER: Well, I was in St. Louis printing at the Wildwood Press. MICHELE OKA DONER: I was born in Miami Beach, Florida, December 4, 1945, as the war was ending. My father played the violin, and his father also. MS. SHEA: For what these creatures would be flying in? MS. SHEA: [Laughs.] And it's quite beautiful. And I thought that was a very interesting way to begin. It was one of the last of the glass companies, or the last, because I don't think that there's any glass being made in Libbey Owens in Toledo. It was my Mother's Day present. Its an angry response to their not being cared for. Do you collect, or do you feel that you collect? It was pretty raw, and it's actually, as you see it, the library was built in 1990, and that was built 10 years later. Paul is the author of eight business classics, including Mastering the Art of Wholesaling, and 22 Keys to Sales Success: How to Make It Big in Financial Services, published by Bloomberg Press. And in a way this is a feedback loop. It's very hard to delegate things out. You know, Guttenberg press came and put books out, but not images. Every time you have guests, you could bring out your signature beakers, you know. And so all of a sudden the Hayden Planetarium looked small and old and 19th century. And they did. MS. SHEA: To segue back, you said what's on your normally I would think your dining room table, is projects that you're working with, with Nymphenburg? MS. SHEA: Okay, I didn't realize it was so small is so small. They can't it's tertiary. You know, it's rigorous. MS. OKA DONER: Can't do them green. MS. OKA DONER: I liked that, too. MS. SHEA: And then the bowl, of course, is made of the beautiful, very clear Steuben glass. Yeah, and Nymphenburg, I would think, would have some of those early, very realistic ceramic traditions. Without it you can't do anything. Would you take photographs? Photo courtesy of Cirque du Soleil, Oka Doner adds plants to Micco, a sculpture commissioned for the city of Doral, Florida, in 2012. MS. SHEA: Original? He was the curator who was the first to show the Matisse cutouts, which I loved. MS. SHEA: That is kind of an interesting response. I guess I love social history, and who these people were and what the town was and where the glass was blown, the beaker. Or roots. MS. OKA DONER: so different than everything else in the home that I always was fascinated by that. No doubt, that engagement also led her to immense public projects, such as A Walk on the Beach at Miami International Airport; or Celestial Objects, first embedded at the entranceway of the Hayden Planetarium and now installed high on the walls of the Rose Center for Earth and Space at the American Museum of Natural History in New York; or, more recently, the sets and costumes for the Miami City Ballets Midsummer Nights Dream, which she reimagined in the mysterium of the ocean with its coral and kelp and turtle grass. Her new monograph, Everything Is Alive (Regan Arts), published this month, is the first book to fully document several major public and private commissions, and her latest exhibition, Into the Mysterium, opens at the Lowe Art Museum in Miami on October 12. MS. OKA DONER: Tomorrow I think it would be nice to start in the library. And so I used Texas aggregate and I ran in glass the Rio Grande River through the footprint of the courthouse, which is something everybody could connect to; their own land, their own place. Oka Doner's best known artwork is "A Walk on the Beach" (1995, 1999), and its extension, "A Walk on the Beach: Tropical Gardens" (19962010) at the Miami International Airport. It was very interesting. MS. OKA DONER: Along the bluffs. Each participant takes an active role in this powerful learning experience. And you can even work on it on the plane and send it when you land. MS. OKA DONER: I'm so proud. It's really terrific. And my tree. So is that when you do kind of is it when you do your best physical work or your best . And he was a wonderful architect. MS. OKA DONER: in the serious, with the serious students. The minute I got to college, though, I began to work very seriously. MS. OKA DONER: Louella Parsons. Princepton University DIA Exhibit 1976 U of M 1994 Rados Cranbrook Hologram Exhibition 1969 Intuitive Alphabet Collectors Wave Torsos Eden Rocks NYT "Doner has chosen to express herself in public spaces, on a large scaleA Walk on the Beachinspired by the marine flora and fauna of Florida is embedded into a ground sewn with inclusions of mother-of-pearl. MS. OKA DONER: And I have a book on Michigan trees. MS. SHEA: And was it mostly your mother that was taking you to the museums, or both of your parents? Martin Z. Margulies Sculpture Park at Florida International University, Miami. (She and her friend Wolfson, both of them children of former Miami Beach mayors, wrote a book about that era in Miami, part nostalgia and part artistic memento. MS. SHEA: And what was the reaction of the public to the exhibition? So Ann Arbor was extremely liberating for me. Some of this floor is new where it was rotted, so you can see the line of the old and the new. I think it should be required reading. And I studied printmaking also with Frank Cassara and Emil Weddige. If you look at the figures carefully, you see how similar they are to naturally holed beach stones; but, with twisted, gouged, pocked, and abraded surfaces and ranging in size from two to ten inches long, they seem also to be votive figures, skeletal heads, skulls with chins, skulls with necks, heads on spikes, members of a prehistoric family, souls of the dead casting their spells. . We have a cult of violence because people are so numb from being anesthetized by television and drugs, and overfed, over-everything, over-sated, that they don't feel. MS. SHEA: Really? Yes, this is good. MS. SHEA: Run through those many long hallways. The Ford Motor Company Rouge plant [Dearborn, MI. I bought Lewis Mumford's Sticks and Stones [New york: Boni and Liveright: 1924], a small book, in a secondhand bookstore because I saw in it a building in St. Louis. In 1957, age 12, Oka Doner began a year-long independent project studying the International Geophysical Year (IGY). MS. SHEA: And I'm also looking at a very is it a lacquer chair with the inset of shell? MS. OKA DONER: Well, I work all over. MS. OKA DONER: I loved Michigan. And I'm still working on it. [Laughs.] Suite 2200 Is there anything else that you want add or elaborate? MS. OKA DONER: It's a very, very distracting energy. MS. SHEA: Because in a way, to me you've been making installations all along. I stayed six years in Ann Arbor, 12 years in Detroit, and I loved Pewabic pottery and I went down there often. It's very specific. Did you collect other things? And then finally it does , MS. OKA DONER: It's a dialogue. And I'm sure that the table top . And I realized, always in Michigan I found magic. MS. OKA DONER: It was her way of also using she had enormous energy. MS. OKA DONER: My skirts couldn't be short as the other girls. Victor Building Well, somebody interviewed me for a magazine article on Bugatti because I had said at a party, before anybody knew who he was, that I really liked him because he incorporated so many different materials. The water continuously, I wonder how many times a minute it brings up something and takes something away, brings it up and takes it away. It's a limited edition. MS. OKA DONER: stuck it in there and tried to wedge up the husk. MS. OKA DONER: Very nice. MS. OKA DONER: You can't be in it for the long haul. With a ruler and a knife. Making contacts, yes, but if you don't have that first circle mastered . MS. OKA DONER: Isn't that? It was a beautifully edited, very unusual modernist home built 1951 in the new way, meaning there was everything built in, sliding doors, closed off. MS. OKA DONER: Not real long ago, and I went through it twice. I didnt think about comfort., Perhaps most remarkable is that, although she lives in the most urban of American cities, Oka Doner remains firmly connected to the natural world. You know, that things just keep moving, moving forward. I feed it well and I bathe and I have a wonderful meal and that's that. MS. OKA DONER: Well, it's pure yellowish, and what the white is, is a pigment that I bang up. Does it start with a phone call? Oka Doner added a wood trellis around the structure to encourage the growth of native vanilla vines, night-blooming cactus and local snake cactus. MS. SHEA: And were you an only child or the oldest child? And then on the piano we have a piece that you talked about during your talk in Grand Rapids, which is again it seemed like it was a situation where you looked for was it a candelabra or something that you were searching for? MS. SHEA: On the beach in Miami with your sister, and how it's been such a long, continuous thread in your work and in your experience. The breadth of her artistic production encompasses sculpture, design objects, furniture, jewelry, public art and video installations. MS. OKA DONER: struggle to have a hungry belly but a mouth that, a jaw that doesn't have the musculature. So we were watching this poignant . [Laughs.]. And it's nice. But you said you were studying the Islamic and the Asian arts. And you can't really run electrical cords through, and I don't like the cords hanging, so I had to create light in the evening. MS. OKA DONER: Well, I think that I had a certain amount of experience and a certain amount of youth. MS. OKA DONER: In the art history department. So what used to be, 200 years ago, scarce, is now a flood. MS. SHEA: And it can be both, I guess, beneficial and negative sometimes; things, you know, that might be washed away that are of value or things that are washed up that are of interest and value. I collected physically and visually. MS. OKA DONER: I made them. It's a 10-foot in diameter bench. When he was younger, or middle . Oka Doner, Michele and Mitchell Wolfson Jr. Oka Doner, Michele. That's not too far away. For some reason that reminded me of St. Jerome in the I don't know why that image just came to me. In fact there's a beautiful spread in the Miami Beach book of her Sumi-e painting because my parents went to Japan head of the People-to-People program for the city of Fujisawa and Miami Beach. MS. OKA DONER: So I liked the '30s, and I was wishing in the '60s that I had had that opportunity. I've done work with Bill Sofield. There were so many because there was no alternative. So I have ancient weaving patterns and I have [images replicating MOD] chunks of gold. I assume they're metal. MS. SHEA: Oh, yes, first show. The interview took place in New York City, and was conducted byJosephine Sheafor the Archives of American Art, Smithsonian Institution. And he gave me an exhibition entitled "Works in Progress." The breadth of her artistic production encompasses sculpture, furniture, jewelry, public art, functional objects, video, as well as costume and set design. Then we looked through some books shes made by handshe calls the small ones poetry books, and I would agree, though Id say they are concrete poetry or perhaps collage poetry since they contain found and salvaged objects and works on paper. MS. SHEA: on a much grander scale. Michele Oka Doner has often talked about how IGY lit her fire when she was in middle school. And then the next thing I knew my phone rang and they asked me to come to the museum with a portfolio, which I did, and John gave me the show "Works in Progress" [1978.] MS. SHEA: I've never heard anyone talk about that before and make that connection. I got quicker. MS. SHEA: [Laughs.] MS. SHEA: [Laughs.] So I had an idea and did a maquette and it was funded. The program is designed to transform the inside team from a client relations mind-set, to a world-class sales team. And then when I did build a kiln, I did raku. Some of her books are constructed accordion style and others have transparent pages that are meant to be read in overlapping sequence. More than walking on the beach, experiencing the piece is like being suspended in a celestial vault, surrounded by marine constellations and fossil comets, or rather walking along the bottom of an ocean where the milky way has become ship wreck. Then you have, would you call it the intellectual or the history how would you describe your library? MICHELE OKA DONER (b. I was given an assignment to pick something in the Alumni Memorial Museum and write about it, of a certain period, I think Chinese or Indian. Most fled programs of 1918-1921 MOD], which still exists. 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